Comments on: Birmingham Post Power 50 for 2008 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/ Linking up Birmingham's Artistic and Creative Communities Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:15:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Antonio http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-26229 Antonio Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:02:25 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-26229 Why am I <b>not</b> on this list :-P Srsly tho, I couldn't really care less about this list. What does it all mean in the end anyway? Why am I not on this list :-P

Srsly tho, I couldn’t really care less about this list. What does it all mean in the end anyway?

]]> By: Sarah http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-26111 Sarah Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:48:55 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-26111 Yes I am Liam, and for exactly the reason I've outlined. I was also involved in setting it up last year and I would have loved to have seen more people from the creative sector included. The harsh fact was that very few of the people that I'm sure we both know were known more widely in the city. Funny enough, some of the people I argued to be on the list have made posts above...just as well I didn't succeed?! Being serious, what I learnt was that if you want to change things, you have to do it from the inside. That doesn't necessarily mean that you have to go native; you just have to learn the language ;¬D Yes I am Liam, and for exactly the reason I’ve outlined.

I was also involved in setting it up last year and I would have loved to have seen more people from the creative sector included. The harsh fact was that very few of the people that I’m sure we both know were known more widely in the city. Funny enough, some of the people I argued to be on the list have made posts above…just as well I didn’t succeed?!

Being serious, what I learnt was that if you want to change things, you have to do it from the inside. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to go native; you just have to learn the language ;¬D

]]> By: Liam Byrne http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25771 Liam Byrne Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:37:41 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25771 Are you on the list Sarah? Are you on the list Sarah?

]]> By: Sarah http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25764 Sarah Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:05:50 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25764 A CiB Power 50 would be great - but surely just as subjective and representative of CiB's editorial stance as is the Post's version? I think you've missed the point here: the list isn't that important but the debate which follows is. The people from creative/media industries may not be your choices but they are the ones who've got on the radar of the typical Post reader and therefore decision-maker in this city. Isn't there a saying about it's better to be inside the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in? A CiB Power 50 would be great - but surely just as subjective and representative of CiB’s editorial stance as is the Post’s version?

I think you’ve missed the point here: the list isn’t that important but the debate which follows is. The people from creative/media industries may not be your choices but they are the ones who’ve got on the radar of the typical Post reader and therefore decision-maker in this city.

Isn’t there a saying about it’s better to be inside the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in?

]]> By: Helga Henry http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25732 Helga Henry Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:13:12 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25732 I take it that the Liam Byrne who thinks its toss is not the Liam Byrne who's in at number one!! Or maybe it is and he's refreshingly honest for a politician! I take it that the Liam Byrne who thinks its toss is not the Liam Byrne who’s in at number one!! Or maybe it is and he’s refreshingly honest for a politician!

]]> By: Roger Shannon http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25729 Roger Shannon Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:44:05 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25729 I whole heartedly agree with Liam Byrne re Soweto Kinch and Graham Vick. Their power is in their creativity and vice versa, and lists such as these should in my view reflect more such individuals who are entrepreneurially shifting the symbolic understanding of the city, inside and outside the city. Perhaps too much attention in these lists falls on the 'funderati' who hold the purse rather than on those who - imaginatively - spend the cash.However, dialectically speaking, you cant have one with out the other. But more of the other is, as we know, can be a good thing. I whole heartedly agree with Liam Byrne re Soweto Kinch and Graham Vick. Their power is in their creativity and vice versa, and lists such as these should in my view reflect more such individuals who are entrepreneurially shifting the symbolic understanding of the city, inside and outside the city. Perhaps too much attention in these lists falls on the ‘funderati’ who hold the purse rather than on those who - imaginatively - spend the cash.However, dialectically speaking, you cant have one with out the other. But more of the other is, as we know, can be a good thing.

]]> By: Liam Byrne http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25707 Liam Byrne Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:27:34 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25707 I agree with Stuart and Chris – it is well-read toss. A list that rates a persons ability to influence or control is always going to be controversial owing to its subjective nature. Despite the diverse judging panel (Radisson SAS?), the rankings are representative of the Post editorial stance. Like all other print media, the content is written to appeal to their readership which comprises in the main, of opinion-formers, decision makers and policy shapers throughout the region. Regardless of this, I applaud the inclusion of Soweto Kinch and Graham Vick as both have strived to push integration between art, music and communities higher up Birmingham’s agenda. Maybe a CiB Power 50? I agree with Stuart and Chris – it is well-read toss.

A list that rates a persons ability to influence or control is always going to be controversial owing to its subjective nature.

Despite the diverse judging panel (Radisson SAS?), the rankings are representative of the Post editorial stance. Like all other print media, the content is written to appeal to their readership which comprises in the main, of opinion-formers, decision makers and policy shapers throughout the region.

Regardless of this, I applaud the inclusion of Soweto Kinch and Graham Vick as both have strived to push integration between art, music and communities higher up Birmingham’s agenda.

Maybe a CiB Power 50?

]]> By: Powerbook | Birmingham: It’s Not Shit http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25704 Powerbook | Birmingham: It’s Not Shit Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:18:57 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25704 [...] while they’re going about their business, or it is their job, like number 8 Mike Whitby. Created in Birmingham have pulled out the “creatives” in the list, which makes for a interesting [...] […] while they’re going about their business, or it is their job, like number 8 Mike Whitby. Created in Birmingham have pulled out the “creatives” in the list, which makes for a interesting […]

]]> By: Stuart Whipps http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25693 Stuart Whipps Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:39:15 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25693 Hi Chris My initial comment was quite flippant but i stand by it. I don't see how this is about pushing the city forward. Who does this matter to? The list just seem like a futile endeavor when surely there are better ways in honoring some great things that some of the people on the list have achieved. Maybe I a am being over cynical about this. I'd be interested to see what other people think. Hi Chris

My initial comment was quite flippant but i stand by it. I don’t see how this is about pushing the city forward.

Who does this matter to? The list just seem like a futile endeavor when surely there are better ways in honoring some great things that some of the people on the list have achieved.

Maybe I a am being over cynical about this. I’d be interested to see what other people think.

]]> By: Chris Unitt http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25690 Chris Unitt Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:08:38 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25690 Nah, I'd rather talk about if/why it's toss than just dismiss it. Maybe it's not toss - maybe it's quite valuable, especially in a city that some say doesn't do enough to put itself forward. Then again, maybe it is toss - but it's quite well-read toss and it _matters_ to some people. So, thinking pragmatically, what would make it better? I'm just not into the idea of hoping something will go away - maybe I'm wrong. Nah, I’d rather talk about if/why it’s toss than just dismiss it.

Maybe it’s not toss - maybe it’s quite valuable, especially in a city that some say doesn’t do enough to put itself forward.

Then again, maybe it is toss - but it’s quite well-read toss and it _matters_ to some people. So, thinking pragmatically, what would make it better?

I’m just not into the idea of hoping something will go away - maybe I’m wrong.

]]> By: Stuart Whipps http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25681 Stuart Whipps Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:41:37 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25681 "Ok, so it’s easy to be cynical about these things" Indeed it is. Can we not just ignore this toss next year please? “Ok, so it’s easy to be cynical about these things”

Indeed it is. Can we not just ignore this toss next year please?

]]> By: dp http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/07/17/birmingham-post-power-50-for-2008/#comment-25607 dp Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:58:47 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=1861#comment-25607 "But feel free to vent your spleen in the comments here if you feel the need." Thank you. But I am not sure I've got any spleen left to vent, though surely some on the list deserve spleen as much or more than plaudits. In general, the list makes me wonder a) who are the most controversial figures, and b) who would CiB readers propose? “But feel free to vent your spleen in the comments here if you feel the need.”
Thank you. But I am not sure I’ve got any spleen left to vent, though surely some on the list deserve spleen as much or more than plaudits.

In general, the list makes me wonder a) who are the most controversial figures, and b) who would CiB readers propose?

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