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		<title>By: Russ L</title>
		<link>http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/03/06/local-musician-and-blogger-warns-of-music-related-hearing-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-10123</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your ears should never ring the next day after a gig - it was poorly engineered if they do.&quot;

That must come as massive consolation to the person in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your ears should never ring the next day after a gig &#8211; it was poorly engineered if they do.&#8221;</p>
<p>That must come as massive consolation to the person in question.</p>
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		<title>By: The Tartan Hornplayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Tartan Hornplayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just rock &amp; pop gigs which can damage your hearing - I&#039;ve got tinnitus, thanks to a performance of Berlioz&#039;s Requiem in my youth orchestra days.  I probably wouldn&#039;t have listened to advice in my late teens/early 20s about hearing loss, but I now regret not knowing more.  A few hours of p*ss-taking from your mates vs permanent hearing loss/damage - it&#039;s a now brainer, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just rock &amp; pop gigs which can damage your hearing &#8211; I&#8217;ve got tinnitus, thanks to a performance of Berlioz&#8217;s Requiem in my youth orchestra days.  I probably wouldn&#8217;t have listened to advice in my late teens/early 20s about hearing loss, but I now regret not knowing more.  A few hours of p*ss-taking from your mates vs permanent hearing loss/damage &#8211; it&#8217;s a now brainer, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Howes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Howes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh well Chris, the BBC usually get my last name wrong as well.

Anything above 80dB SPL(A) you should start thinking of wearing ear protection, training has to b given to employees.  It is the law that you must wear hearing protection in an environment with an LEPd of over 85dB SPL(A).  

April is when music venues have to provide hearing protection for al - mandatory for all staff to wear ear protection and ear plugs to be offered to the general public.  NEC Group, Barfly, Carling Academy and more have all been ahead of the legislation and offer ear plugs. 

Your ears should never ring the next day after a gig - it was poorly engineered if they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well Chris, the BBC usually get my last name wrong as well.</p>
<p>Anything above 80dB SPL(A) you should start thinking of wearing ear protection, training has to b given to employees.  It is the law that you must wear hearing protection in an environment with an LEPd of over 85dB SPL(A).  </p>
<p>April is when music venues have to provide hearing protection for al &#8211; mandatory for all staff to wear ear protection and ear plugs to be offered to the general public.  NEC Group, Barfly, Carling Academy and more have all been ahead of the legislation and offer ear plugs. </p>
<p>Your ears should never ring the next day after a gig &#8211; it was poorly engineered if they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey, this really generated some discussion! Which is excellent, obviously my small contribution to the RNID&#039;s push for better awareness about hearing damage has helped do the trick.


One small point to make though regarding the article (and I&#039;ve already told the BBC about this) - I&#039;m 22, not 21. The RNID passed my age to the BBC and got it wrong by a year (I guess I should take it as a compliment...) They spelt my name wrong, too!


As I mentioned in my blog post, I got my current earplugs (the ones Susannah held up in the video segment) from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inkino.co.uk/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;products_id=1398&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inkino.co.uk&lt;/a&gt; - Â£11 including Â£3.50 postage for Etymotic ER20 filtering earplugs (also known as Elacin ER20), which I think is a bargain considering some record shops want to charge you Â£15 before postage. I don&#039;t leave home without them. They were useful at Gigbeth! :)

Considering these use the same filtering technology as the MUCH more expensive custom-moulded earplugs (just without the custom aspect), I think they&#039;re well worth the investment.

Thanks also to catnip for the manual trackback, I would&#039;ve missed this completely otherwise :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey, this really generated some discussion! Which is excellent, obviously my small contribution to the RNID&#8217;s push for better awareness about hearing damage has helped do the trick.</p>
<p>One small point to make though regarding the article (and I&#8217;ve already told the BBC about this) &#8211; I&#8217;m 22, not 21. The RNID passed my age to the BBC and got it wrong by a year (I guess I should take it as a compliment&#8230;) They spelt my name wrong, too!</p>
<p>As I mentioned in my blog post, I got my current earplugs (the ones Susannah held up in the video segment) from <a href="http://www.inkino.co.uk/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;products_id=1398" rel="nofollow">inkino.co.uk</a> &#8211; Â£11 including Â£3.50 postage for Etymotic ER20 filtering earplugs (also known as Elacin ER20), which I think is a bargain considering some record shops want to charge you Â£15 before postage. I don&#8217;t leave home without them. They were useful at Gigbeth! :)</p>
<p>Considering these use the same filtering technology as the MUCH more expensive custom-moulded earplugs (just without the custom aspect), I think they&#8217;re well worth the investment.</p>
<p>Thanks also to catnip for the manual trackback, I would&#8217;ve missed this completely otherwise :)</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Bobbie</description>
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		<title>By: Bobbie Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobbie Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia- re filtering ear plugs- try local records shop like tempest or jibbering....

I was too embarrassed to wear mine cos they stuck out so much so bought more discrete/expensive ones: vanity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia- re filtering ear plugs- try local records shop like tempest or jibbering&#8230;.</p>
<p>I was too embarrassed to wear mine cos they stuck out so much so bought more discrete/expensive ones: vanity!</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbie Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/03/06/local-musician-and-blogger-warns-of-music-related-hearing-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-9963</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobbie Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the MFG! blog....
This is quite specific to residents in Brum, but, still quite useful anyway.

The most cost effective way to get your ears safe is to order your ear plugs online, get some discrete ones so your friends donâ€™t rip the piss and for comfort purposes too. Then pop along to a hearing aid centre and they can do you ear impression for around Â£20-30 squid. There is a place off New St (the one before temple st)that do them and in Kings Heath (Sietech) too.

I contacted Specsavers first but they refused to do just the ear impressions, they insist on selling you the ear plugs as well, which costs a total sum of Â£160 I think.

Hope that helps :)

I have been to some valve night at the custard factory and clearly remember seeing ear plugs given out and was impressed. 

I felt really old though....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the MFG! blog&#8230;.<br />
This is quite specific to residents in Brum, but, still quite useful anyway.</p>
<p>The most cost effective way to get your ears safe is to order your ear plugs online, get some discrete ones so your friends donâ€™t rip the piss and for comfort purposes too. Then pop along to a hearing aid centre and they can do you ear impression for around Â£20-30 squid. There is a place off New St (the one before temple st)that do them and in Kings Heath (Sietech) too.</p>
<p>I contacted Specsavers first but they refused to do just the ear impressions, they insist on selling you the ear plugs as well, which costs a total sum of Â£160 I think.</p>
<p>Hope that helps :)</p>
<p>I have been to some valve night at the custard factory and clearly remember seeing ear plugs given out and was impressed. </p>
<p>I felt really old though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: wechtie</title>
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		<dc:creator>wechtie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was slightly more involved in the music industry than I am now I used to quite often wear earplugs at gigs...and many venues have funky earplug dispensers (kind of like those machines that give you a handfull of sweets) backstage - though I&#039;ll admit I can&#039;t remember seeing them at any Birmingham venues...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was slightly more involved in the music industry than I am now I used to quite often wear earplugs at gigs&#8230;and many venues have funky earplug dispensers (kind of like those machines that give you a handfull of sweets) backstage &#8211; though I&#8217;ll admit I can&#8217;t remember seeing them at any Birmingham venues&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2008/03/06/local-musician-and-blogger-warns-of-music-related-hearing-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-9959</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be useful if venues/promoters could offer earplugs, not in a &#039;nanny state&#039; type way but just out of convenience. I think people would be willing to pay a small price for disposible ones, say Â£1 or Â£2? I am aware of the irony of venues selling earplugs when they could just turn the sound down?!

I would not have had a clue where to buy earplugs from myself, although Christopher has a few recommendations in his post and I am seriously thinking of getting a pair of the Etymotic Elacin ER20s that he recommends. 

The RNID&#039;s Don&#039;t Lose the Music campaign site also has recommendations of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dontlosethemusic.com/home/areyouatrisk/earplugs/where_to_buy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;where to buy earplugs&lt;/a&gt;. Does anyone know of anywhere in Brum to buy the &#039;filtering&#039; earplugs?

I don&#039;t remember ever being offered earplugs at any gig or clubnight I&#039;ve been to (inc dnb nights but it has been a good while since I last went to those!), whether free or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be useful if venues/promoters could offer earplugs, not in a &#8216;nanny state&#8217; type way but just out of convenience. I think people would be willing to pay a small price for disposible ones, say Â£1 or Â£2? I am aware of the irony of venues selling earplugs when they could just turn the sound down?!</p>
<p>I would not have had a clue where to buy earplugs from myself, although Christopher has a few recommendations in his post and I am seriously thinking of getting a pair of the Etymotic Elacin ER20s that he recommends. </p>
<p>The RNID&#8217;s Don&#8217;t Lose the Music campaign site also has recommendations of <a href="http://www.dontlosethemusic.com/home/areyouatrisk/earplugs/where_to_buy/" rel="nofollow">where to buy earplugs</a>. Does anyone know of anywhere in Brum to buy the &#8216;filtering&#8217; earplugs?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember ever being offered earplugs at any gig or clubnight I&#8217;ve been to (inc dnb nights but it has been a good while since I last went to those!), whether free or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was working at Gigbeth they gave out free earplugs. Lots of people took them, but I&#039;m not many of those people actually used them.

I think it should be a case of everything in moderation. When I was working at Reading we &lt;b&gt;had&lt;/b&gt; to have earplugs due to standing a few feet from the speakers for eight hours a day! The punters were probably only there for up to three hours at a time.

Also, and I know it isn&#039;t true of all dj&#039;s/venues but sometimes they&#039;re guilty of turning the music up too loud (thank &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; Rihanna!) to create some kind of atmosphere...

I am going to show my age and admit that I sometimes just enjoy a pub and a sit down with some jolly good people for a jolly good laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was working at Gigbeth they gave out free earplugs. Lots of people took them, but I&#8217;m not many of those people actually used them.</p>
<p>I think it should be a case of everything in moderation. When I was working at Reading we <b>had</b> to have earplugs due to standing a few feet from the speakers for eight hours a day! The punters were probably only there for up to three hours at a time.</p>
<p>Also, and I know it isn&#8217;t true of all dj&#8217;s/venues but sometimes they&#8217;re guilty of turning the music up too loud (thank <i>you</i> Rihanna!) to create some kind of atmosphere&#8230;</p>
<p>I am going to show my age and admit that I sometimes just enjoy a pub and a sit down with some jolly good people for a jolly good laugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbie Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobbie Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I run a funk night and we have had problems with sounds systems leaving us with ringing ears the next day. We blogged about it too!

http://mamafeelgoodmusic.co.uk/?p=26
http://mamafeelgoodmusic.co.uk/?p=39

At drum and bass nights where the decibels are really damaging- don&#039;t promoters offer free ear plugs anyways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I run a funk night and we have had problems with sounds systems leaving us with ringing ears the next day. We blogged about it too!</p>
<p><a href="http://mamafeelgoodmusic.co.uk/?p=26" rel="nofollow">http://mamafeelgoodmusic.co.uk/?p=26</a><br />
<a href="http://mamafeelgoodmusic.co.uk/?p=39" rel="nofollow">http://mamafeelgoodmusic.co.uk/?p=39</a></p>
<p>At drum and bass nights where the decibels are really damaging- don&#8217;t promoters offer free ear plugs anyways?</p>
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		<title>By: bounder</title>
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		<dc:creator>bounder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hearing was damaged a lot more from the brief period I worked in a factory, but yes the odd gig gives you a ringing-in-the-ears.

I think it&#039;s a perfect branding opportunity, get yer logos and urls printed on some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hearing was damaged a lot more from the brief period I worked in a factory, but yes the odd gig gives you a ringing-in-the-ears.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a perfect branding opportunity, get yer logos and urls printed on some.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with FP - I don&#039;t want to sound all Tory, but surely this is something people can manage for themselves?  Or should be, at least.

I don&#039;t think my hearing has suffered particularly from the many, many, &lt;i&gt;many&lt;/i&gt; noisy gigs I&#039;ve been to over time, but then again I was as deaf as a post to begin with.  

I will offer, however, the fairly unpleasant anecdote of having left a very loud and very feedback-y metal gig at The Foundry (back when that existed) and seeing someone who had clearly been glassed lying on the pavement outside the Alexandra.  I attempted to ring 999... and couldn&#039;t actually hear the operator &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt; over my ringing ears.

Fortunately a few more people were beginning to accumulate and one of them was able to, but it was a frightening moment.

I wouldn&#039;t draw anything into it, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with FP &#8211; I don&#8217;t want to sound all Tory, but surely this is something people can manage for themselves?  Or should be, at least.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think my hearing has suffered particularly from the many, many, <i>many</i> noisy gigs I&#8217;ve been to over time, but then again I was as deaf as a post to begin with.  </p>
<p>I will offer, however, the fairly unpleasant anecdote of having left a very loud and very feedback-y metal gig at The Foundry (back when that existed) and seeing someone who had clearly been glassed lying on the pavement outside the Alexandra.  I attempted to ring 999&#8230; and couldn&#8217;t actually hear the operator <i>at all</i> over my ringing ears.</p>
<p>Fortunately a few more people were beginning to accumulate and one of them was able to, but it was a frightening moment.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t draw anything into it, though.</p>
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		<title>By: focalplane</title>
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		<dc:creator>focalplane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Julia!  I am going to show my age and admit that I suffered from three days of ringing in the ears following a Who concert in Southampton in the 1960s.  I fully understand from that brief interlude in my life why Pete Townshend is nearly deaf.  The next loudest experience was Elton John in Houston in the mid-1980s - funny that, because I would never have thought his act would have been so loud.

As to the supply of earplugs - attendees at gigs should take their own, not rely on the band or promoter to think for them.  (Showing my age again!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Julia!  I am going to show my age and admit that I suffered from three days of ringing in the ears following a Who concert in Southampton in the 1960s.  I fully understand from that brief interlude in my life why Pete Townshend is nearly deaf.  The next loudest experience was Elton John in Houston in the mid-1980s &#8211; funny that, because I would never have thought his act would have been so loud.</p>
<p>As to the supply of earplugs &#8211; attendees at gigs should take their own, not rely on the band or promoter to think for them.  (Showing my age again!)</p>
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